View Full Version : Building an effective tgp..
Well, often time newbies think that a fancy designed tgp would do great. I heard someone once even told thehun hey man! your tgp looks like shit, why don't you get a pro designer? lol. But the fact of the matter is, porn is not about fancy design it's about chicky chicky bangbang, no-one jerks off to your design but to those nudy pics in your collection. Yet, design of tgp site carries some significance. No-one likes ugly junky site. To me, thehun doesn't look like shit, it simply looks clean to me and notice he does have an unique logo and so does most major TGPs meaning having something unique on your site is important.
So there you go.. run out and get yourself an unique logo preferably a toon logo. Yes, a toon logo will cost you a bit more but it will pay off later. If you don't wanna do toon logo, you should get an exclusive picture set for your tgp.. will cost you even more but you can use your exclusive pics to build a free avs with and upsale from its members area too. Top of your site say, "Hi! I'm Angel and Angel's Ass TGP is my site. If you want more pics of my ass please visit here" things like that.. you get the point ;)
If you're gonna offer a lot with your tgp, such as a categorical tgp such as say http://www.pussy.org/ it's not that important to have an unique toon/pic logo but just a simple nice clean logo should work fine. Remeber you don't wanna go crazy with your logo design either cos it'll slow the load time of your site and when trading impatient surfers will close the window before it loads your site. And oh! If you have an exclusive picset for yur tgp or a movie you can simply use text header instead of graphic yet your exclusiveness will makeup for your graphical title plus give you a faster loadtime :thumbsup
Now, if you are going to be trading traffic with other tgps later you cannot have a design like thehun it HAS to be a bit different. Starting with you need to put some thumbs close to the top of your page. Why? cos when another tgp pops your site in a surfer's face you wanna do your best to catch his attention so he clicks on a link on your site.. and what's better than a nice clear thumb of a pretty chick to draw attention?
Let me take some questions now then I'll continue.
Pookie
08-14-2004, 02:08 PM
can you make my site more effective? :D
can you make my site more effective? :D
yep! just follow what i'm saying here ;)
yep! just follow what i'm saying here ;)
But where do i get traffic for my tgp :confused: I'm broke no money should i start a tgp :confused:
But where do i get traffic for my tgp :confused: I'm broke no money should i start a tgp :confused:
Good points. Where to get traffic is what i'll discuss later however, if you have no money/broke you shouldn't try building a tgp site at all. Just wait til you are a big boy have some time and money to play with. Like any other business, this business may require investment too if you don't have the bare minimum amount to invest find something that doen't require any.. such as building and submitting galleries on freehost :)
Josea
08-14-2004, 10:30 PM
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So there you go.. run out and get yourself an unique logo preferably a toon logo. Yes, a toon logo will cost you a bit more but it will pay off later.
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A toon logo? How about something like this?
http://www.babevue.com/toon01.gif
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Now, if you are going to be trading traffic with other tgps later you cannot have a design like thehun it HAS to be a bit different.
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Oh, never mind. :rolleyes:
A toon logo? How about something like this?
http://www.babevue.com/toon01.gif
:1orglaugh
Pookie
08-15-2004, 06:17 PM
whats the minimum investment?
Okay now, don't let the tgp owners bullshit you. I've heard 10k/day tgp claim that they are getting rich out of their sales whereas I own 100k+ tgps, I've sold 350k+ tgp in the past (why? cos I wasn't making much money thought someone else maybe could but now I know that wasn't the case), let me tell you, you don't make much money straight from your tgp site.. maybe enough to cover the cost of maintaining your tgp but not a handsome profit but you prolly could make some money if you're able to sell gallery spots then again, unless you own a 500k tgp (or all your tgps combined 500k) it's a hard thing to do. So go for a tgp keeping this in your head. Also, building a 100k tgp shouldn't be hard but to exceed 300k could be pretty darn hard will require a lotta work and time and ofcourse wit.
Pookie, I'd say the cost would be about $600 to just set up a tgp ie.
logo - $100
okay tgp script - $50
good trade script - $450
your own work - priceless
Then buying traffic would be about $300/month + hosting cost + lot more work to drive additional traffic + working your trades
nightdrive
08-16-2004, 11:46 AM
O.K. I'll ask.
If you don't make a lot of money directly from the tgp, how do you make money indirectly?
O.K. I'll ask.
If you don't make a lot of money directly from the tgp, how do you make money indirectly?
selling gallery spots and using hosted galleries thou very hard to find good converting hosted galleries.
Pookie
08-16-2004, 02:25 PM
so if its so hard to make $$$ with a tgp, why have one?
so if its so hard to make $$$ with a tgp, why have one?
To make you bow to the power :p For me, it's more like a fun traffic game than revenue.
Josea
08-16-2004, 06:22 PM
To make you bow to the power :p For me, it's more like a fun traffic game than revenue.
In that case, how about building galleries? It that more profitable (once one learns how to build ones that convert)?
:bowdown TGP :rolleyes:
alexis
08-16-2004, 08:30 PM
Hi
Interesting thread for someone who is looking at getting into another area of adult on the internet. I'm looking at my options for project no. 2 that will be ongoing for the next 12 months.
The world of TGP has interested me, but reading this thread, it would appear that unless you have a huge TGP 500K plus, then your not going to make any money from owning one?
So I have to ask the question, are you saying don't bother unless you are doing it for the long term, and don't expect any revenue other than perhaps enough possibly to cover bandwidth till you get it to this size?
So the other option I take it is building unique content galleries and submitting to the already established tgps, running these galleries of your own tgp that initially is all your own galleries and hosted galleries until it reaches a size that other gallery submitters would be interested in submitting to?
If i've got it all wrong here apologies but trying to weigh up my options here to work out if this is a viable initially 12 month project?
Thanks
Alexis
In that case, how about building galleries? It that more profitable (once one learns how to build ones that convert)?
I make most of my money thru building galleries & working the search engines.
So I have to ask the question, are you saying don't bother unless you are doing it for the long term, and don't expect any revenue other than perhaps enough possibly to cover bandwidth till you get it to this size?
So the other option I take it is building unique content galleries and submitting to the already established tgps, running these galleries of your own tgp that initially is all your own galleries and hosted galleries until it reaches a size that other gallery submitters would be interested in submitting to?
Well you can expect some profit from your small tgps.. just about enough for a couple six packs maybe lol.. nawh maybe a few dinners at a decent restaurant or even to attend a ball but that's about it (and please don't listen to the asses that lie to their teeth about how they are making millions off their 10k tgps and telling you that you're a moron if you're not making billions with your 20k tgp). TGPs are mostly our fun/pass time.. even funner cos we use our own scripts (nelson has most fun writing them hehe).. do it the way we like, have every possible feature avail to us so if you submitted to our TGPs you'd see we don't come up with bizzare rules that would otherwise show how desparately we are hoping to make a penny off our tgps cos we're not.
Most of the time people look at all these good looking TGPs, their stringent rules then look at the price of a tgp script ($50) and think hey! they must be making tons so could i. Traffic trade? Oh yeah! I'll just buy UCJ and traffic will be magically pouring in. If you believe that, you'll be up for a shocker!
Yes ofcourse, building galleries and submitting is much more money that's how I made my money in the past as well as now thou in a slightly different manner since i host galleries now. If you look closely, you'll see many bigger tgps are actually pushing their own proggies with their tgps, just another way to get additional traffic/affiliates when you have your own proggy. Also, tgps are easier to get decent PR with then distribute that PR among your other sites.
Bottomline, if you're only starting out in the biz, shouldn't waste your time building/trying to maintain your own tgp which will not generate enough revenue for you to grow more. And, oh if you will have all hosted galleries only in your tgp that'll really be fake tgp not real and wont grow much so you decide for yourself. But for me, I have seen just too many tgps grow and die before my eyes, known many of their owners.. no.. they were far from dummies as many asses would try to say about them :mad:
Josea
08-16-2004, 10:37 PM
I make most of my money thru building galleries & working the search engines.
Should the galleries I build be optomized for search engines? (Meta tags etc.) Maybe a silly question but for some reason I've been thinking of galleries as just something to submit to tgps. Should I start thinking of each gallery as a one page web site? Should I submit these one page sites to what ever search engine still has a free 'suggest an URL'?
alexis
08-16-2004, 10:41 PM
well i started out in the adult web business a year ago with the sole purpose of a small project and to teach myself web building! :)
i enjoy the creative side of it and that obviously works for me as i've managed to give up my 'normal' job this year. so money isn't the only thing for me.
now pr is interesting as i earn through partly playing with google. it would be good to gain pr and links and to distribute it to other sites, but maybe a lot of hard work for that pr.
i'm sorry to hear that tgps have disappeared after all their owners hard work. i'm very green to this industry but from what i can see it's partly luck and lots of hard work.
so for building galleries which software do you recommend and i guess it's a question of designing good templates for the pics, is there an industry standard software for building tgp galleries or template design? and a guide perhaps to successful tgp galleries?
thanks again for the honest answer.
alexis
Should the galleries I build be optomized for search engines? (Meta tags etc.) Maybe a silly question but for some reason I've been thinking of galleries as just something to submit to tgps. Should I start thinking of each gallery as a one page web site? Should I submit these one page sites to what ever search engine still has a free 'suggest an URL'?
Oh yeah! Most definitely.. treat them with hornor and they will serve ;) serve almost as doorways that is. Usually, your galleries will get spidered and indexed but submitting could help them SE could help too.
so for building galleries which software do you recommend and i guess it's a question of designing good templates for the pics, is there an industry standard software for building tgp galleries or template design? and a guide perhaps to successful tgp galleries?
That will need to have its own thread.. but hopefully soon :)
Josea
08-16-2004, 11:17 PM
Oh yeah! Most definitely.. treat them with hornor and they will serve ;) serve almost as doorways that is. Usually, your galleries will get spidered and indexed but submitting could help them SE could help too.
hornor? Is that horny honor? :rolleyes:
Doorways to my sponsor?
The SE spyder will follow the links on the tgp to my galleries? Argh! I should have put meta tags from the begining?
Thanks Leo!
hornor? Is that horny honor? :rolleyes:
:1orglaugh horny typos
Doorways to my sponsor?
yep
AnneT
08-17-2004, 02:49 AM
:1orglaugh horny typos
yep
Everyone knows that talking about traffic makes Leo horny :P
All good stuff you are writing here. All true. I tend to think that unless you have some massively unique way of making cash from your TGP, you really need to be doing it for some reason other than money. I make a bit here and there from my TGP (I won't post a link coz it's embarrassing - really needs some work). But really I just think of it as a way of doing other people a favour. Like "I will list your gallery and send you some traffic, if you list my gallery", etc.
Having said that, I think if you can come up with a good, unique way to make a few bucks, do it! Just remember you can't just get the free version of AGP, run the default template and put a nastydollars banner at the top and expect to make a killing.
Back to you, Leo :)
Should the galleries I build be optomized for search engines? (Meta tags etc.) Maybe a silly question but for some reason I've been thinking of galleries as just something to submit to tgps. Should I start thinking of each gallery as a one page web site? Should I submit these one page sites to what ever search engine still has a free 'suggest an URL'?
i've wondered this myself at one point, but concluded it’s worth the effort to optimize for se at least a little bit. I try to make sure my galleries at least have a new title tag, keyword tag, and meta tags (on the thumbs), but i've dumped the description tag coz lots of smaller tgp's seem to pick the "script" string from "description" and say it's a banned word.
i've never actually submitted a gallery to the se's though, but i do believe that the engines (google especially) like to see fresh content added daily, so, if you have a list of your own somewhere that you add links to your new galleries each day, the se's will begin to notice you. :)
Josea
08-17-2004, 11:17 AM
but i've dumped the description tag coz lots of smaller tgp's seem to pick the "script" string from "description" and say it's a banned word.
Thank you. I didn't think of that.
I wonder if it would be worth while to run the text editor's find function to look for banned words which might be imbedded in other words.
Pookie
08-17-2004, 01:19 PM
I make most of my money thru building galleries & working the search engines.
hehe :bowdown
Pookie
08-17-2004, 01:21 PM
:1orglaugh horny typos
yep
josea, leo's having horny typos because he's been fantasizing about my tits for some reason :rolleyes:
Pookie
08-17-2004, 01:24 PM
i've wondered this myself at one point, but concluded it’s worth the effort to optimize for se at least a little bit. I try to make sure my galleries at least have a new title tag, keyword tag, and meta tags (on the thumbs), but i've dumped the description tag coz lots of smaller tgp's seem to pick the "script" string from "description" and say it's a banned word.
leo would consider that as :bowdown to the power of the TGPs.
alexis
08-17-2004, 04:15 PM
That will need to have its own thread.. but hopefully soon :)
ok Leo look forward to that thread :D
for now loads more to get reading in preparation, so much to learn so little time! :bowdown
what's next Leo? driving traffic to tgp?
what's next Leo? driving traffic to tgp?
Yes please Leo! :bowdown :D
RoCkMaN
08-22-2004, 05:17 PM
A few buck is always important for traffic generation I find.
A small investment of 28 dollars can get you 20k of traffic to play with.
Sign up for trades, call in some favors... whatever it takes...
Most big TGPs purchase traffic on a regular basis to boost up their trades....
Most big TGPs purchase traffic on a regular basis to boost up their trades....
There's a prob with most many TGPs purchasing traffic on a reg basis cos they buy the cheapest crap 404 traffic which is worthless even for trading purposes. Only good thing it does for the big TGPs is make it look bigger than it is on a traffic counter so easier to lure newbies in buying spots with them ;)
So that now you have a decent looking tgp time to drive a little traffic to it to see how it goes. First you start driving traffic to it forcing traffic from your other tgps.. well, i forget but this is your 1st tgp huh? Then drive traffic to it thru a recip on galleries you post to other tgps. Let a few days pass by see how many booakmarks you got. When you have about 1k/day time to install a trade script. Get a good trade script such as tm3 do not use any free script cos as you must've noticed already nothing in the world is free there's some sorta catch somewhere. After you have installed a script it's time to buy 1k/day more traffic. I'll put the trading tips in another thread. Anyways, now when you trading watch how your prod being. If your prod is not around 200% average will be hard for you to grow so now time to tweak your design. Keep tweaking until you got 200% prod once you have 200% sit back and relax a bit then get back cos it's time make your tgp grow :)
Question anybody?
Question anybody?
Yes, why did you hijack my thread? :feels-hot :D oh well that pretty much summarizes my thread i guess.. couldn't have said better.
.. except when you buying traffic go for clicked traffic.. chicken traffic and traffic out comes to mind when thinking to buy traffic but there are few more good ones :)
.. except when you buying traffic go for clicked traffic.. chicken traffic and traffic out comes to mind when thinking to buy traffic but there are few more good ones :)
yeah, there seems to be a consensus that chokers is the way to go, but there's so many different packages and options etc. any advice to a newbie traffic buyer would be much appreciated! i mean, where to start? :confused:
here'd be a good place to start reading reviews http://adult-traffic-review.com/index.php I highly recommend clicked traffic only even for a newbie.
here'd be a good place to start reading reviews http://adult-traffic-review.com/index.php I highly recommend clicked traffic only even for a newbie.
thanks Leo! :D i only noticed this post now - i'm off to have a look right now!
thanks for that link Leo, there's some good reading! :)
thruma
09-27-2004, 04:28 AM
Thank you. I didn't think of that.
I wonder if it would be worth while to run the text editor's find function to look for banned words which might be imbedded in other words.
Whenever I encounter this I check to see how much traffic I actually get from that TGP and it's usually like 30 - 50 uniques a month. For that kind of small traffic I usually just stop submitting to them.
I think the benefit of having a fully optimized page for the SEs outweigh the usefullness of such a small traffic tgp.
Has anyone had it happen from an actual sale generating TGP?
There is only one that does that to me sometimes so I just optimize a page just for them without all the stuff that would cause it.
truthhurts
12-03-2004, 03:03 PM
truth: nobody cares about tgps.
AnneT
12-03-2004, 04:43 PM
truth: nobody cares about tgps.
???
WTF does that mean?
???
WTF does that mean?
Probably mean he's got a pickle stuck up his ass :1orglaugh
truthhurts
12-03-2004, 09:49 PM
???
WTF does that mean?
It means what it says. No decent webmaster cares about idiots that give away free content.
AnneT
12-04-2004, 12:11 AM
It means what it says. No decent webmaster cares about idiots that give away free content.
LMFAO! I can think of a few who might :rotfl:
bunky2u
12-30-2004, 03:31 AM
as a way of generating "other " traffic, how many people have considered taking out a small ad in the classified section of a big city newspaper? I see lavalife advertised beside sexshops and escort services... why not an ad that says something to the extent of... "Free paysite samples, try before you buy! Visit ...."
While the traffic may not be much, it would be mostly fresh off the line, right?
bunky2u
buffdresurrected
12-30-2004, 09:55 AM
free paysite reviews from an actual member (even if your not)
may be more productive. have that traffic go to a page
written as if your just a normal surfer who has joined
whatever sites or is still a member.
could always take the "jaded" member point of view (a surfer
who has joined sites that turned out to be shitty) but found
"whatever site/sites" that meet your needs and that you recommend.
(be sure to mouseover referall links lol)
one last thing i would recommend is not recommending most
pay per signup sites. most of them suck tremendously bad.
(in case you have never been in one. like popups in members areas?)
and do ask the owners for a temp pass so you can actually see
for yourself. if they refuse, dump them.
excellent idea overall imho
buffd
duranfly
07-29-2006, 09:43 PM
I agree that people justs want to see porn and not the design of the site....... With my site World Wide Freaks i make good money just by using good sponsors and pecash...... that makes up alot
I agree that people justs want to see porn and not the design of the site....... With my site World Wide Freaks i make good money just by using good sponsors and pecash...... that makes up alot
Site looks good. work on the trades it should grow :)
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