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Well will start a tutorial here shortly.
AnneT
08-13-2004, 06:44 PM
oh boy! I've been waiting a long time for this one :cool:
oh boy! I've been waiting a long time for this one :cool:
I second that! We're waiting on you seven! :bowdown :bowdown :D
Well, before i start on trading I should start on how to build an effective tgp so let me start a new thread there then will come back here :)
prod=productivity=# of clicks generated by each unique hits to your site
So you have about 2k/day to your tgp from bookmarks/paid traffic.. now it's time for you to start trading. Buy the best trading software money can buy. If you are gonna buy a software hit me up on icq before you do for some tips. Now when you have the software installed find the trades for you. How do you find trades? Well, follow the toplist of a major tgp and request a trade with them. Go an extra mile and confirm your trade over icq with person you are trading with so 1. you know the person is real 2. you know your trade is active cos lotsa time owners take time to activate trade and you lose hits meanwhile.
Initially add trades with sites that look a lot like your own site then watch the trade's prod.
guidelines:
returns | prod = action to consider
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high returns | high prod = not likely to happen too often unless site is very much like yours. Keep the trade/force hits to bump the trade up
low returns | high prod = keep the trade/force hits to get as much back as possible
high returns | low prod = if your site is still small drop this trade otherwise keep it but keep it small cos it atleast sends you back fresh traffic
low returns | low prod = drop the trade
So you see low returns|high prod is what I recommend. Why? You are getting low returns cos your traffic is not clicking on his site much it's coming back to you so you are keeping your traffic, on the other hand, his traffic is clicking a lot on your site so most likely you're getting bookmarks out of his traffic therefore, he's helping you grow.
Also tell you to keep the high return|low prod cos that brings you fresh traffic meaning you have a chance to make sale out of it sometimes but in this case, your site needs to have good traffic going already or you maybe losing bookmarks to him that you are not recovering from other trades.
So far so good?
thanks Leo, that's a great help! i have TM3 installed and am nearly ready to start trading. :D
more more more! :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown
How do you find trades? Well, follow the toplist of a major tgp and request a trade with them.
Leo is this wise? surely an infantile tgp such as mine should start small trades with small tgp's, no? :confused:
Leo is this wise? surely an infantile tgp such as mine should start small trades with small tgp's, no? :confused:
major tgps also trade with small tgps (matter of fact love them cos they get their bookmarks from trading with smallies) look for the #30 and down on their toplist
major tgps also trade with small tgps (matter of fact love them cos they get their bookmarks from trading with smallies) look for the #30 and down on their toplist
thanks Pam! :)
i've just signed up with chokers but it's going to take a day or two before i can even get started because it's so difficult to organize payment for him. also, i've added about eight small trades so far from findtrades and i my feeling is that it's probably best to have lots of small trades and just one or perhaps two bigger sites in the mix. does this make sense? :confused:
thanks Pam! :)
i've just signed up with chokers but it's going to take a day or two before i can even get started because it's so difficult to organize payment for him. also, i've added about eight small trades so far from findtrades and i my feeling is that it's probably best to have lots of small trades and just one or perhaps two bigger sites in the mix. does this make sense? :confused:
well as long a you make sure these small tgps are not too small.. you want tgps that have some traffic so they can return traffic.. often time it pisses me off when webmasters will add his site to mine then just get 10 hits and i'm #1 on his toplist sends me back 1 or 2 hits/day that is for me a total waste of my time aghh..
well as long a you make sure these small tgps are not too small.. you want tgps that have some traffic so they can return traffic.. often time it pisses me off when webmasters will add his site to mine then just get 10 hits and i'm #1 on his toplist sends me back 1 or 2 hits/day that is for me a total waste of my time aghh..
sounds frustrating! so, i hear you shouting, "medium to large tgps only" depending on how much traffic i can return or afford to feed. :)
i didn't realise how much traffic would cost... i thought it was about US$4/5 per 1000 hits, but its actually US$8.00 - ouch! :mecry:
sounds frustrating! so, i hear you shouting, "medium to large tgps only" depending on how much traffic i can return or afford to feed. :)
i didn't realise how much traffic would cost... i thought it was about US$4/5 per 1000 hits, but its actually US$8.00 - ouch! :mecry:
traffic-out is cheaper but he doesn't sell gallery traffic :(
should my total incoming hits and total return be about the same? because they're not and i think i may be being screwed! :confused:
traffic-out is cheaper but he doesn't sell gallery traffic :(
hey Roc, do you know if traffic-out can "throttle" the delivery of traffic?
should my total incoming hits and total return be about the same? because they're not and i think i may be being screwed! :confused:
total return should be about 3 times than incoming hits if not, if not you won't be growing anytime soon :(
hey Roc, do you know if traffic-out can "throttle" the delivery of traffic?
no they can't, they can only deliver about 500-1000/day since the traffic is not forced.
thanks pam! :bowdown :D
time to add some more trades!
i so hate being a stupid noob! one of my trades i confirmed over icq just asked me, "do you want me to force?" and of course i had no clue what to say! i know what forcing hits is and what it does but i still have no idea why he would ask me that! can someone shine some light over here for a very embarrassed noob please? :o
you can force hits to bump a trade ie. if you force 10 hits/hour your total trade should be atleast 240/day. with tm3 when you set 10 hits force it will force 10 hits and wait for 10 returns, if there's no return it won't send anymore hits to that trade that hour but next hour it will again send 10 hits and wait for return and so on. so make sure you keep an eye on your trades to make sure you are not wasting hits.
Usually when a trade ask for suppose minimum 2k trade I set the trade to 25 forced 25 free.. now you ask what's free? well free is when you expect no returns ie. you mean to send him 25 extra hits/hour cos you are just so nice lol no cos you want the trade to pick up since his script doesn't know how you are setting him up it'll try to return all hits you send then when i set the return 1.5 the trade picks.
you can force hits to bump a trade ie. if you force 10 hits/hour your total trade should be atleast 240/day. with tm3 when you set 10 hits force it will force 10 hits and wait for 10 returns, if there's no return it won't send anymore hits to that trade that hour but next hour it will again send 10 hits and wait for return and so on. so make sure you keep an eye on your trades to make sure you are not wasting hits.
Usually when a trade ask for suppose minimum 2k trade I set the trade to 25 forced 25 free.. now you ask what's free? well free is when you expect no returns ie. you mean to send him 25 extra hits/hour cos you are just so nice lol no cos you want the trade to pick up since his script doesn't know how you are setting him up it'll try to return all hits you send then when i set the return 1.5 the trade picks.
"minimum 2k trade" buahaha... i'm doing like 50 hit trades! ;)
thanks Leo, that's very helpful! i see what you're doing here encourages the individual trade to grow, nice! :D
you're so good to me on this board, i love it here! :thumbsup
total return should be about 3 times than incoming hits if not, if not you won't be growing anytime soon :(
hey Pam, currently my total return is only a little higher than my incoming hits. i'm not sure what action i should be taking to get the right balance. my 24hr stats look like this:
TM3 trade info:[Total Active] hit:630 uniq:607 clck:270 ret:868 prod:0.44 eff:0.31
also, i'm flying kind of blind here. how does a 3:1 ratio of return / incoming hits promote growth?
btw - thanks so much for all your help and patience! :o :D
no they can't, they can only deliver about 500-1000/day since the traffic is not forced.
wha she said but the traffic quality i so good that it's easily equivalent of 100k of BS traffic many others would send. When I was a newbie (since I feel like a pro already after hanging out on this board for a few days :D) I bought lots of 404s and was a total waste of money :(
hey Pam, currently my total return is only a little higher than my incoming hits. i'm not sure what action i should be taking to get the right balance. my 24hr stats look like this:
TM3 trade info:[Total Active] hit:630 uniq:607 clck:270 ret:868 prod:0.44 eff:0.31
also, i'm flying kind of blind here. how does a 3:1 ratio of return / incoming hits promote growth?
btw - thanks so much for all your help and patience! :o :D
Yes, would be nice if you could explain this :cheers:
hey Pam, currently my total return is only a little higher than my incoming hits. i'm not sure what action i should be taking to get the right balance. my 24hr stats look like this:
TM3 trade info:[Total Active] hit:630 uniq:607 clck:270 ret:868 prod:0.44 eff:0.31
also, i'm flying kind of blind here. how does a 3:1 ratio of return / incoming hits promote growth?
btw - thanks so much for all your help and patience!
Action you should be taking is pack up and say goodbye to tgp biz lol. No just kidding. But your prod is simply awful. There's not a chance you'll ever grow with this kinda prod. I have a 2.50 prod at riaps yet having trouble going past 120k (not that i'm really trying hard thou hihi) Leo working on a new trade script on an old tgp his prod is at 5.00 his growing steadily thou he's getting hit hard with hitbotters and content ripping softwares that keep messing his trades up. Bottomline, without an overall prod around 2.0 you are not likely to grow. Now, I looked at your tgp and it seems to load pretty slow. May wanna work on having it load faster such as take out the top 14 thumbs/make each table of thumbs one less row etc. Also, noticed you are listing too many not so quality hosted galleries on top of your list may either not wanna list them or list them at the bottom of list. Until you grow to a decent size any bad quality gallery is just 1 step backwards :(
3:1 will be when your prod is high that is your average surfers are clicking as many times as to see atleast 3 trades pop in his face. In other words, traffic is being active/productive on your site so that's sign you may be growing right now sounds like you are not. So don't buy traffic just yet cos you are most likely be wasting money. Work on getting a higher prod first.
When you are new at this it may seem this trading game thing is pretty hard but trust me eventually you'll get to a point that you'd think you could grow a tgp to a 1st 10k with a sneeze.. 100k in a month and become thehun in 3 months or NOT :D.. well, let's just stick to 100k in a month which is doable then the game gets to the next level which is much harder :(
Thanks again :thanks:
my pleasure. it's actually fun to be able to still contribute even thou i've hardly worked in adult biz in last few years other than doing the accounting and provide a little affiliate support for Leo. I'm doing a wee bit more now thou since on a mat leave and since Leo could use some help.. this smiley is soo cute => :thanks:
Pam is the greatest :bowdown sucking up already for the answers to my future questions :p
trhater
09-17-2004, 02:24 PM
Pam is the greatest :bowdown sucking up already for the answers to my future questions :p
She is just full of shit and you guys are just a buncha ass kissers :iamwithst
oh hello! I'm new to the board ;)
She is just full of shit and you guys are just a buncha ass kissers
Now you've done it. You are soo fucking bann.. nawh.. you are gonna be a lot of fun for me you can stay. I love you :love:
trhater
09-17-2004, 03:10 PM
Now you've done it. You are soo fucking bann.. nawh.. you are gonna be a lot of fun for me you can stay. I love you :love:
fucking faggot! ban me or not makes no difference I'll sit here jerk off on all you guys here.
She is just full of shit and you guys are just a buncha ass kissers :iamwithst
oh hello! I'm new to the board ;)
Nice avatar man where'd Leo find your original pic? :rofl:
flip burgers ya think Pam? :1orglaugh :p
thanks for some more great advice though... i was talking to a fellow webmaster on icq last night and we discussed some similar stuff so my work is really cut out for me. i figure it's too late, i've started buying traffic already, so i better just fix my site RIGHT NOW! :D
She is just full of shit and you guys are just a buncha ass kissers :iamwithst
oh hello! I'm new to the board ;)
hello trhater, welcome to the board mate!
that's a very nice avatar you have there! :p
trhater
09-18-2004, 09:08 PM
hello trhater, welcome to the board mate!
that's a very nice avatar you have there! :p
this is ridiculus! I have never seen any webmaster board that changes my avatar. Hey fuckers change my avatart back and also the faggy title before I shove a 24" dildo in your mom's ass :boid
this is ridiculus! I have never seen any webmaster board that changes my avatar. Hey fuckers change my avatart back and also the faggy title before I shove a 24" dildo in your mom's ass :boid
can't you change it yourself, thought you were a hacker? :p
can't you change it yourself, thought you were a hacker? :p
hacker my ass prolly someone just agitated not being able to cut that dingle berry off his ass :1orglaugh
what's a dingle berry mate?
what's a dingleberry mate?
eww.. don't ask.. i could never teach him to behave :o
trhater
09-19-2004, 09:49 PM
hacker my ass prolly someone just agitated not being able to cut that dingle berry off his ass :1orglaugh
Would you like to lick on my dingleberry? I bet you'd love that :1orglaugh
I bet you'd love that :1orglaugh
How do you know I'd love that? Did you taste it yourself already? You a good cook? :1orglaugh
well, this was a good thread! :(
well, this was a good thread! :(
no worries I'll clean it up later :)
no worries I'll clean it up later :)
you're gonna need a hose mate! :p
you're gonna need a hose mate! :p
No he just has to call the fire department :D
trhater
09-21-2004, 02:09 PM
No he just has to call the fire department :D
shut the fuck up faggot!
hey Leo, i'd really love more info on managing trades, especially with regards to tm3 if possible? :bowdown :D
tm3 has a very strange way of calculating effectivity - instead of clicks/returns it uses productive-clicks/returns. i understand there may be some benefit to this if your site uses lots of hardlinks, but otherwise to me the formula is wrong! :eek:
i've discussed this at length with tm3 support in the hopes that it would be possible to change a setting to adjust that calculation, but it's not, and tm3 isn't exactly under aggressive development anymore. wishing i bought atx! :(
hey Leo, i'd really love more info on managing trades, especially with regards to tm3 if possible? :bowdown :D
I love tm3 however, I must have my coffee first before I can say something.. can't even open my eyes properly yet :o
I love tm3 however, I must have my coffee first before I can say something.. can't even open my eyes properly yet :o
waiting patiently... :bowdown
actually, going to bed now so i'll be checking back first thing in the morning mate! hehe
Since I'm just wasting my time drooling over this http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4022704&s=Paris2004&src=minishow I'd much rather make a post.
Okay, effectivity is pretty important when you are trading. Effectivity is how much of your trades traffic going to your other trades. The script kinda tries to figure if the surfers trying to avoid going to your another trade ie. just clicking on your internal links and links they figured would have the least trade skims. Now this kinda traffic is not very effective cos if they are doing that only means they are long term cunning/experienced freeloaders therefore, it won't be worth for you to send these guys too much traffic back even thou their productivities are superhigh since they're clicking all your non-skimming links. So you can see why I like TM3. Only prob I have with it that it doesn't count all in-hits correctly thou that's with any script you use I kinda inclined to believe TM3 counts even lesser than others then again, it could be cause TM3 maybe ignoring the same traffic that been jerked around and backed to your site from few different tgps.
From what I read, I like the ATX cheat feature. I wish TM3 had that feature too to spider trade partners to see if they are adding pop-up and such. That's been a prob for me for a long time now. But other than that I'm not sure ATX has all the features that TM3 has plus ATX gets way more expensive than TM3 considering you could buy used TM3 script for very good prices :)
thanks leo! :D
i'm totally convinced that atx is the best there is. let me know if you want to buy my tm3 licence! lol
http://www.nibbi.net/scripts/comus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2221
thanks leo! :D
i'm totally convinced that atx is the best there is. let me know if you want to buy my tm3 licence! lol
http://www.nibbi.net/scripts/comus/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2221
won't know til i use it myself and that won't be til he puts it on another sale ;)
truthhurts
12-03-2004, 03:03 PM
truth: I don't know shit about trade and I don't want to know.
bunky2u
12-30-2004, 03:09 AM
alright so it's time for me to learn about traffic trading. I want understand all this before I actually get into it.
So this is what I have thought about and considered for now.
1. I am running a fake TGP that is loaded with FHGs using TGP Rotator by JMB. http://www.jmbsoft.com/software/tgpr/ see example sites here: http://www.jmbsoft.com/software/tgpr/sites.php
2. I want to get the highest quality traffic possible. SE is top of the line, but from which one?
3. Should I run a sidebar ad in an Adult SE or just mainstream?
4. Traffic trading should commence when I have 2000 vistors/day with or without subbing galleries as a source of traffic?
5. Perma linking to other friends TGPs... bad idea or not?
6. Linking to sponsor hosted TGPs... on which page would it be a good idea, (archives?) or can I force hits to a sponsor TGP?
7. I heard that you can't run a traffic trading script and sub galleries on the same sever at the same time, is this true and how would they affect each other?
ok, done for now... more questions to come!
Thanks for your time,
bunky2u
buffdresurrected
12-30-2004, 10:03 AM
1,2. any and all with the possible exception of chinese.
then again unless you know what to look for how and
how to stop spiders from search engines such as chinese
it's all good.
3. I would'nt pay for searches for a tgp
4 submit galleries of course. that means extra search engine
listings at the bare minimum and of course extra money.
some tgps keep you listed for quite sometime.
5. yes a very good idea. reason; search engines, particularly
google as it will help with page rank
6. i rotate sponsor and my own crap randomly using ghost driver
script from comus
7. should be no server problems until you reach some rather massive
traffic including traffic to your submitted galleries. should be no worries
there at all. (but this is also why i stress taking particular steps when
choosing a host and bandwidth provider. but do be aware of server load
your script will generate after reaching a certain traffic point)
hope that helps
buffd
buffdresurrected
12-30-2004, 10:05 AM
one last thing.
make it a goal to own your own server.
it eliminates a ton of potential problems
and the difference between virtual hosting
and dedicated/colo is like night and day
trust me
ltrz
dick nixon :)
bunky2u
12-30-2004, 12:25 PM
If I sub a gallery to a high profile TGP and I am running a trade script won't they get bumped to a trade of mine? This is something to avoid I am sure... just how do you do it?
buffdresurrected
12-30-2004, 02:43 PM
your trade script can be set to handle traffic in variety of ways.
such as first click always goes to a gallery. first two clicks
always goes to a gallery or 1 out of every so many go to
a gallery then next click goes to a trade.
that is something you will have to experiment with and
I would suggest starting off by using whatever seven
suggests in his tutorials.
he knows exactly what he's talking about and you can
totally trust what he suggests but do read around other
boards, particularly awi board to see what others have done,
are doing and their results.
far as I know running a tgp with a trade script is quite alot of work
so be prepared.
I know I want no part of it for alot of reasons.
bunky2u
12-30-2004, 09:44 PM
far as I know running a tgp with a trade script is quite alot of work
so be prepared.
I know I want no part of it for alot of reasons.
Good one Buff!
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